resonant: How to write a sex scene, part 3

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@ 2005-11-30 01:39 pm UTC

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How to write a sex scene, part 3

I've moved this series to my webpage. You can find it here.

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jaebi-lit.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 07:57 pm UTC (link)

I haven't written a sex scene, aside from two really bad, really short ones for comic drabbles. So, I guess I haven't seriously written a sex scene. Even so, I found what you said to be really helpful and illuminating, not just for writing smut, but for writing in general, so thanks for posting these! And when I do end up writing smut, I'll be sure to look back at these posts.

And now I really want to read a Rodney/Radek attempting to strip fic.

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	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:23 am UTC (link)
	Me, too, but somebody else is going to have to write it! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject yahtzee63.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	I hope it didn't sound like I was being nitpicky! I didn't mean to be. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	No, not at all! I thought it was a very useful distinction. (I probably should have replied to the comment before making the post, huh?) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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nestra.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 08:10 pm UTC (link)

And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," and I for one would have no complaints at all about a scene like that.

Maybe you should write the rest of it. Just as an example, you know. For academic purposes.

I agree that it's completely weird when characters who otherwise won't shut up suddenly go reverently silent during a sex scene, unless there's a good reason why.

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	no subject etben.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	I second this suggestion like nobody's business. I mean, purely from academic curiosity and all that... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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	no subject kelliem.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:19 pm UTC (link)
	Make the sex fit the characters (and not the other way around) Yes, please. Please, please, please. Single most important rule of smutting, imho. Far too many sex scenes are ATG (Any Two Guys) fic instead of the characters. (Reply to this)

	no subject melora98.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:29 pm UTC (link)
	Hey there! Just wanted to add my "thanks" in here for posting these. As I'm fumbling my way through writing my first "big" fic, this is all VERY helpful. :-) (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:25 am UTC (link)
	I'm so glad! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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kindkit.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 08:29 pm UTC (link)

I'm really enjoying this series of essays. To the wonderful points you've just made above, I'd add something that Te said somewhere: distinguish between your own turn-ons and those of your characters. Just because you like a certain sexual scenario or activity or kink or whatever, doesn't mean your characters will. And the scene should be about what the characters want, not about what you as author want, or it will feel forced.

Te's words were much better, but that's my approximation. It's advice that has been lodged in my brain since I read it, and that I think has improved my sex-scene writing immensely.

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	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:26 am UTC (link)
	I think I remember reading that essay, and yes, she's exactly right. Which means, of course, that sometimes writers need to go find characters who come closer to matching their kinks. (This may explain the popularity of Lex Luthor.) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject bettyp.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	Did you know that with that whole "you know it's me" thing, that you have written one sentence that's hotter than 90% of the porn I get off my beloved sga_noticeboard in any given week? Yes, you say? That's why you're writing these, you say? Very well. I'll go back to taking notes now. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:27 am UTC (link)
	Well, yes, it did something for me, too. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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serialkarma.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 08:34 pm UTC (link)

I just wanted to say that I've been enjoying this little series the last few days. In my case, though, it's because so much of what you say can be applied in one way or another to writing other-than-sex-scenes. For me, writing porn has always been surprisingly easy, it's everything else that has a tendency to frustrate and stump me.

In particular, this:

Here's how to start: Don't think about what happens in the scene. Think about what payoff you want from it.

really struck a chord today, considering I've been agonizing how to get through a particular scene in a story I'm writing and it just occurred to me that this was the angle I needed to approach it from. Thankfully, it seems to finally be coming together. In retrospect it's ridiculously obvious, but I've noticed that those are the things we sometimes need someone to point out to us. So thanks!

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resonant8.livejournal.com
2005-12-01 03:30 am UTC (link)

That's good! To be honest, this technique almost never works for me except in sex scenes. I think it's because when I try to think functionally about most scenes, I'm thinking, you know, advancing the plot, developing the characters, all sorts of stuff that kind of paralyzes me if I think about it too closely -- but when I think functionally with a sex scene, all I'm thinking is, "Just exactly how do I want to wind them up today?"

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	no subject panisdead.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	a porn star who looks like Rodney McKay ...and that's where I was torn between ahahahah and aw, yeah. Seriously, I'm finding this little series of tutorials fascinating. They're simultaneously psyching me up and psyching me out regarding something I'm working on. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:31 am UTC (link)
	I'm a little worried about the psyching-people-out aspect, actually. It always kind of worries me when people listen to me. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject fleurrochard 2005-11-30 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	He will, in fact, probably babble something highly parenthetical and only partly comprehensible, and then go away, and it will only be hours later that John will suddenly go, "Oh, my god, I thought he was complaining about being on jumper pilot rotation but actually I think he just told me he's in love with me." I'd like to read that story. nodnodnod (Reply to this)

	no subject wearethestars.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 08:50 pm UTC (link)
	And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," and I for one would have no complaints at all about a scene like that. I have to say... even for a "HOW TO" guide... that's hot. runs away (Reply to this)

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thete1.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 08:52 pm UTC (link)

This is totally the core of everything I believe about porn. Just... yeah. My own ancient porn manifesto is all about this, and it cannot -- EVER -- be stated enough.

It's *such* a newbie -- and, when it comes to writing erotica, there are some newbies who've been writing for *years* -- mistake, and a huge one. Because, after all -- this is *fan-fiction*. When we're not writing about the characters, we're fucking up. Full stop.

In other words... Timmy approves and so do I. :D

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	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:32 am UTC (link)
	kindkit quoted you up the page -- did you see that? And you're exactly right -- if I don't recognize those characters, why should I bother to keep reading? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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lierdumoa.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 09:04 pm UTC (link)

SO COOL to see that other writers do this, because no one ever really talks about writing porn. For my part, I get a vague idea of what I want to happen in the scene, a much clearer idea of what I want to happen to each character emotionally, and go from there. I figure if I can get the reader inside the character's head, as long as the character thinks it's hot, the reader will too.

This makes me want to make my own sex scene post, though if I did it would be more of a style analysis and comparison thing than a how-to thing like you're doing.

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	no subject lobelia321.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 10:48 pm UTC (link)
	though if I did it would be more of a style analysis and comparison thing Yes, please! And if you do it (when!?), could you comment about it to me so that I can scuttle over to your LJ because I've not got you Friended and don't know you but I would really love to read this style analysis thingy! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject namastenancy.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	This is a great series of essays. I don't write any more but I read tons and your essays are helping me understand on a more logical level why some sex scenes work and some don't. Also, please add me to the list that would love to read your John/Rodney sex scene - just for a further understanding of this academic subject. Really. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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janet-carter.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 09:36 pm UTC (link)

And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," and I for one would have no complaints at all about a scene like that.

As others said above, wow, that's hot. I have no complaints, either.

...two guys who are quoting John Donne to each other.

Peter Wimsey doppleganger story?

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	no subject hlglne.livejournal.com 2005-11-30 10:27 pm UTC (link)
	Now I know why I enjoy writing Quinlan Vos. He doesn't say much--makes the sex so much easier! No really; this series is lovely. (Reply to this)

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darthfox.livejournal.com
2005-11-30 10:28 pm UTC (link)

And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," and I for one would have no complaints at all about a scene like that.

neither would i, for the record. what is it people are doing for you these days to get you to write things? making icons? i can make icons. what do you want? (e-mail me separately, if you don't mind, because i'm still not getting notifications?)

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	no subject http://users.livejournal.com/_inbetween_/ 2005-11-30 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	This is slowly turning into fic, you realise? You thought and wrote more about sex-muted Rodney, which has me chuffed (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject resonant8.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:35 am UTC (link)
	hee -- maybe I can actually do it as requested this time, rather than squeezing the challenge to make it easier to write. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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	no subject ship-recs.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 12:42 am UTC (link)
	I'm loving this series of essays. Very interesting. (Reply to this)

	no subject listersgirl.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 02:31 am UTC (link)
	Out-of-character sex is possibly my least favourite thing in fic. It's just so jarring. (Reply to this)

	no subject maryaminx.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:09 am UTC (link)
	These are very good. I'm trying to write good, readable smut, and these are great guides. Of course, I like my smut to serve a greater purpose in the story, but it can't serve a purpose if it's just god-awful. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject snpdiva.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 03:22 am UTC (link)
	You don't know me, but I worship at your feet for the awesomeness of your icon. Where did you get it? I'm a huge Get Fuzzy fan. Love, Aranel (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject pun.livejournal.com 2005-12-01 04:51 am UTC (link)
	And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," Seriously, I'm not even in the fandom, and that's the hottest thing I've read in quite awhile. I'm really enjoying this series of essays. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject anaxila.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously, I'm not even in the fandom, and that's the hottest thing I've read in quite awhile. No kidding! I've never seen an ep of the show and don't have a clue who this Rodney dude is (though half my flist is nuts about the guy), but... holy crap, that's hot! This is why resonant8 will someday rule the world. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	I am really enjoying these essays. Very illuminating. (Reply to this)

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coreopsis.livejournal.com
2005-12-01 05:13 pm UTC (link)

Lovely points in all your posts so far and forgive me for not saying so before but this bit moved me to speak:

He will, in fact, probably babble something highly parenthetical and only partly comprehensible, and then go away, and it will only be hours later that John will suddenly go, "Oh, my god, I thought he was complaining about being on jumper pilot rotation but actually I think he just told me he's in love with me."
I want to read that story now. a really, really lot. *g*

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wychwood
2005-12-01 09:44 pm UTC (link)

This series is really interesting :) Particularly because you write some of the hottest sex-scenes I've had the pleasure of reading...

it will only be hours later that John will suddenly go, "Oh, my god, I thought he was complaining about being on jumper pilot rotation but actually I think he just told me he's in love with me."

Brilliant. I can so totally imagine something like that, too.

And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," and I for one would have no complaints at all about a scene like that.

What I want to know is how you can write one sentence of a story and have that single sentence be enough to blow my mind?

Also, now I want to read the story... *g*

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	no subject bruisesonguitar.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 07:49 am UTC (link)
	And he's going to say, "Jesus, Rodney -- say something so I -- know it's you," and Rodney's going to put his mouth right against John's ear and say very quietly, "You know it's me," gah I don't even know who Rodney is, but that had an enormous effect on me. I'm taking notice and I'm learning. Thankyou! (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject bruisesonguitar.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 07:54 am UTC (link)
	affect you can see why I need writing tips! facepalm* :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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