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resonant ([personal profile] resonant) wrote2011-03-28 07:39 pm
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Moriarty vs. Adler

I'm re-reading book-canon Sherlock Holmes (the William S. Baring-Gould annotation, which I do not recommend, but that's another post), and I just read "The Final Problem" for the first time since high school.

I haven't finished all the post-return stories yet, but unless there's something very unexpected there, I have observed something about book canon vs. BBC canon:

Book-canon Moriarty really has very little interest in Sherlock Holmes.

Holmes is interested in him, and expends considerable effort (and lines up quite an army of allies) in his efforts to bring him and his lieutenants to justice. Holmes makes Moriarty dance, though not for entertainment.

But Moriarty has a criminal empire to run, and he takes note of Holmes only as Holmes begins to impinge upon that empire. Once they meet, it's clear that he has some grudging admiration for Holmes, but he doesn't play games with Holmes.

You know who plays a few games with book-canon Sherlock Holmes? Who engages him on purpose, beyond what's necessary to get the job done? Irene Adler does.

She's a rival rather than a true adversary; she's self-interested, but not evil; and it seems to me that their interaction is fun for both of them.
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[personal profile] saraht 2011-03-29 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
But...but...she's a GIRL!!!

(I have read with some amusement people bitching about how Irene is a thief, etc., in the RDJ movie and how it's not really faithful to canon. I'm like...she's a singer who managed to get hold of a compromising photo of herself with a crowned head of Europe! They had a name for that back then: adventuress! Making her a con artist is just a way of making her role recognizable to the modern mind!)
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[personal profile] pir8fancier 2011-03-29 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
Carole Nelson Douglas did a mystery series based on her. I've read the first two. Good stuff. She writes Irene as a worthy equal.
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[personal profile] bonspiel 2011-03-29 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It's been a long time, but I remember this series being quite good as well.
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[personal profile] marina 2011-03-29 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is something that the Ritchie adaptation got very right and the BBC adaptation failed at like a faily thing.
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-03-29 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is mainly irrelevant to your post, but Baring-Gould is ADORABLY CRAZY. He wrote a manifesto about how Nero Wolfe is Sherlock Holmes's son by Irene Adler. He's the original OTT fanboy. :D
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-01 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
He seems like a nice bloke but yeah he's a bit off the rails when it comes to Sherlock Holmes. :D Mind you, it's an interesting idea, but he really wrenches the canon around to make it fit.

That Sherlock story would be hysterical. Imagine John's reaction. "A load of hyperintelligent little malajusts infecting London! Have you any idea what this is going to do to the school system in a couple of years?" "A world of good, I should imagine."

(I'm not sure if that's rhetorical, but Tantalus was the Greek king imprisoned in Hades who could never quite reach the fruit on the trees or the water at his feet, as punishment for cooking and serving his son to the gods at a banquet. Here endeth my involuntary classics outburst.)
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-01 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Ah durh, yes, that kind of tantalus. Possibly the term was still in use when Baring-Gould wrote?

Thinking about it, Sherlock wouldn't risk that much unprotected sex. He probably has a network of highly-intelligent independent women who enjoy not having the father over-interfering in their lives.

"Though I imagine if any of them turn out all right I shall take one or two on as a apprentices eventually." "Oh good. Someone to fetch the milk."
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-01 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
That was my thought! "Congratulations on leaving Oxford with a first in biochemistry. Call this man, he'll show you a good time." :D
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-02 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
John wanders off grumbling about how he's a doctor AND has never smeared himself with any form of sugary treat...
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-02 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, I bet John could launch a charm offensive and distract at least half of the women who show up for Sherlock.

"Well, he might not be a genius, but he smiles more than you do."
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[personal profile] copperbadge 2011-04-04 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
All I could think of when I read this was Ianto's "It's the button on the top." :D
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[personal profile] filomena 2011-04-11 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish to subscribe to this newsletter.

Especially the installments about John going after Sherlock's sloppy seconds.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2011-04-11 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
And the bits where one of the women thinks a threesome with John might be just the thing.
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[personal profile] mermaid 2011-04-11 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I adore this entire thread!
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[personal profile] supermouse 2011-04-11 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
A tantalus is a lockable drinks cabinet, with the decanters on display. The reason for the name is fairly obvious.
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[personal profile] phoenix64 2011-04-13 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
I toddled over here for the commentfic but after seeing this I feel the need to mention that such an idea is small potatoes compared to Tarzan Alive. My mom was reading it when I was a kid and I got a look at the family tree, GOOD GRIEF.
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[personal profile] oracne 2011-03-29 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
THE MENS, they cannot accept that.

Even some of the WIMMINS - in the Laurie King mystery series with Mary Russell and (old) Sherlock Holmes, Adler was the mother of Holmes' son. There's brief acknowledgement of how cool she was, but only brief.
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[personal profile] krait 2011-03-29 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That bothered me a bit about the BBC's Sherlock, as well. (Along with the whole "sociopath" thing; it's been a while since I was in canon, but I just can't see Holmes as a sociopath. He takes too much interest in people, even if he disdains their predictability; and he seems to have a grasp of justice and friendship, too.)
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non sequitur

[personal profile] elemgi 2011-04-01 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Not entirely sure where this belongs, but- I won a podbook of your DS fic A Modest Proposal, which I dearly love, at help_japan on the LJ side. I know you've got a blanket permission out there, but I thought I would also let you know (perhaps a little tardily). LJ is experiencing some DDoS attacks, so the links are not accessible at the moment, but the offer from [profile] skitz_phenom is here and my proposal of the fic is here. Yay!
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Re: non sequitur

[personal profile] elemgi 2011-04-02 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I'm sure he does. :->
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[personal profile] ecaterin 2011-04-11 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!* A Sam + Res fic!!! It's like a Christmas puppy chocolate cake pony!