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The kidlet has discovered Harry Potter.

For years I'd been kind of dreading this, because the series goes from fascinating-for-young-kids to really-inappropriate-for-young-kids very quickly, and the kidlet is not one to read books 1 through 3 and then wait a few years until their mother thinks they're prepared for, like, beloved characters being murdered onscreen and zombies and stuff. (Also I associate the books with inapproriate sexual shenanigans, but we needn't get into that.)

But they never showed the slightest interest. We did Pippi Longstocking and Laura Ingalls Wilder and Misty of Chincoteague, and then The Hobbit and the Enchanted Forest Chronicles and Amelia's Notebooks and The Jungle Book, and eventually Terry Pratchett and His Dark Materials, and last night when they said, "So. Harry Potter -- is it good?" I realized that they actually weren't too young any more.

They read the first half of Book 1 last night. "I don't want to go to bed. This is a good book." This morning I came down and found them on the couch. "I've been up since six-twenty," they said. "This is a really good book."



edited 2019 to retroactively correct the kidlet's gender pronouns

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Date: 7/22/08 03:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] florahart
Aw!

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Date: 7/22/08 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I feel like I've done a great service in getting her firmly established as a sf-fantasy fan at such an early age!

lol

Date: 7/22/08 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quatre_k.livejournal.com
went through the same kind of hesitation when my godson asked me for the books managed to lead him away from them until he wasn't so young.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
She's 9 now and the darkness of the books doesn't worry me so much!

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Date: 7/22/08 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jelazakazone.livejournal.com
So cute! How old is she now? I'm rather dreading my children finding out about these sorts of books too, although they are on my bookshelves. (My kids are just 3 and 6 though.:))

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Date: 7/22/08 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
She's 9 now, so I can relax my standards considerably. Mostly she's not interested in our books. (Then again, the spouse being who he is, there's about a 1 in 2 chance that any book you pull off the shelf will be either Nietzsche or Kafka, so experience has taught her that most of our books are not very interesting to kids!)

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Date: 7/22/08 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzcalypso.livejournal.com
Has she seen Pratchett's Tiffany Aching stories--Wee Free Men, Hat Full of Sky, and Wintersmith? It's one of the very best stories for smart little girls that I've ever seen, by anyone. And they've got Granny Weatherwax in, which I think improves almost any book.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] everysecondtues.livejournal.com
I would definitely second this. I love those books.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morebliss.livejournal.com
How old is she? I remember being distraught by 'Watership Down' when I was little, but as a kid I bounced back fairly quickly.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goat-song.livejournal.com
I was distraught too, but you're supposed to be. I don't think it's bad.

There are few topics (pain fetishization, abuse, sexual violence) that I think could really traumatize a young child -- most other adult things will probably just be obscure and confusing (and thus probably boring). And those traumatic things are probably traumatic to many adults too.

Things like character deaths and suffering are sad to read about, but I have trouble seeing how they're at all "inappropriate" for children. These things happen in real life, and if the author makes an effort to depict them honestly and to convey specifically why they are difficult topics in the story and IRL, then it's an entirely good thing that kids be exposed to the material. WD is so direct about expressing that "these bad things are bad BECAUSE ______" that it borders on political allegory. And it could never be considered an Animal Farm-sad-and-miserable sort of allegory either. It shows good people dealing with the bad things, which is pretty much the definition of a positive message.

I started reading HP when I was 12. I was in my late teens by the time anything really upsetting happened. I don't think I was any less upset by any of the story events than I would have been at a younger age.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-pryss.livejournal.com
Awwww. I'm all verklempt!

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Date: 7/22/08 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I've noticed that kids really like the idea of being bonded to something/someone chosen for them alone -- when she read Pullman, she was all focused on the daemons, and the thing that thrills her the most about HP is that all the wands are different.

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Date: 7/22/08 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com
That's so awesome. Yay kidlet.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
She's on book 4 now.

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Date: 7/22/08 06:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] djin7.livejournal.com
Now the problem is keeping her away from fandom. *nods* Glad she's enjoying it, though!

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Date: 7/22/08 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com
Exactly - my niece (12) has read her HP books to shreds, and last time I visited, showed me Harry/Hermione fanvids on YouTube. I'm dreading the day she discovers teh pr0n.

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Date: 7/22/08 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatifisaidno.livejournal.com
I wish I could be where she is right now. I don't think I've been so captivated by a book since. And now I'm bitter and not so thrilled with J.K.R.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Oh, I know! I realized I was jealous of her because she hadn't read Prisoner of Azkaban yet! (And now she has.)

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Date: 7/22/08 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bethbethbeth.livejournal.com
Hee! Seriously...hee!

And you know, you don't have to worry about the series getting beyond her; she'll self-monitor, I suspect. My niece dashed through 1-3, then...paused as she was reading GoF, because it was getting too dark for her. Six months later she picked the series up again because she was ready.

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Date: 7/22/08 11:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] dunv-i.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's my experience between my classmates and me, from what I remember - kids tend to just not read books they're not ready for.

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Date: 7/22/08 08:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
Well, I'd think if she's been reading Pterry, and His Dark Materials, she's probably pretty much OK for HP. You'll just have to be ready with the explanations when she queries JKR's hamfistedness...

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Date: 7/23/08 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
So far she doesn't quite seem to have enough distance on a book to really question how it's written; I guess the red pencil comes later. I don't remember the first time I thought, "Hey, the author's doing a bad job here," but I've certainly though tit many times since.

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Date: 7/22/08 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princessofg.livejournal.com
:D.

am taking notes. my boys are 8 and 11. Only the second one is shaping up to be a reader, capital R, but I so appreciate posts like this.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
It's thrilling to hand her a book I've loved and have her love it too. (She liked Empire Star and I felt so affirmed!)

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Date: 7/22/08 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilysaid.livejournal.com
aww, my almost-13 year old has been obsessed with the books for years, and she just joined a Harry Potter RPG with her friends from school--as an original Hogwarts student named Ebony. I guess she has the fandom-gene.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Hee! Ebony -- possibly there's a Sparklypoo gene?

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Date: 7/22/08 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wesleysgirl.livejournal.com
That's so awesome! :-D

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Date: 7/23/08 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
She's up to book 4 now!

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Date: 7/22/08 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurenmitchell.livejournal.com
I think she'll probably be fine. Just don't let her anywhere near the internet, or specifically those bits of the internet that deal with Harry, Draco and buttsex.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
But isn't that what the internet is for?

She's nine, and so far is still accepting mediated internet access. (i.e. "Here are the seven sites you may visit without adult supervision. Anything else, and an adult needs to be in the room and awake.") We'll see how long that lasts.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I'm so happy we got a reader! I mean, the genetic odds were good, but there was no guarantee ...

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Date: 7/22/08 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tingler.livejournal.com
Wait...wasn't she just *born*?!! (The time, she goes so fast!)

I don't think I know the Enchanted Forest Chronicles. Has she read "Swiss Family Robinson"?

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Date: 7/22/08 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzcalypso.livejournal.com
Oh, SFR... I should go back and re-read this. Mama Swiss Robinson was probably responsible for my huge shoulder bags--I was fascinated with her "I've Got Everything Right Here," carryall.

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Date: 7/22/08 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabularasa.livejournal.com
I have recently gone through the same with mine, so I thought I'd leap in and share. Yes, I get what you are saying about the ing and the zombies and whatnot, but. I can think of no greater incentivization for reading than clearly inappropriate material, provided we are talking actual books and not, like, Hustler. So I made the decision that there would be absolutely no brakes, and any reading material was fine as long as it was exactly that: reading material. So far it's working well. The most inappropriate venture she has made (post-HP) is into , and my mother is all, "Have you SEEN what she's reading?" and I'm all "have you SEEN that her head is buried in a book?"

Anyway, I have been reading HP aloud all year, and we are now finishing ly Hallows. I will be so sad when it's over. On to Pullman!

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Date: 7/23/08 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I can think of no greater incentivization for reading than clearly inappropriate material

On the one hand, you're absolutely right, but on the other hand, it's not like we're needing to encourage reading. Other families make rules like "Half an hour of reading before you watch TV." Our family makes rules like "It's fine to bring a book to dinner, but you have to actually look away from it while we're saying the prayer."

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Date: 7/22/08 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovis.livejournal.com
Hmm, if you'd like to lead her into the character death topic a bit more gently than HP does you might want to look into Astrid Lindgren's "Brother's Lionheart". She might be a bit too old for it already, though. As far as I remember I read when I was six.

Oh, and A.L.'s "Ronia, the Robber's Daughter" might be a book she'd enjoy, too. As well as Michael Ende's "Momo". (much better than "Neverending Story, ihmo)

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Date: 7/23/08 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
These are all completely new to me! I'll have to look for them.

It isn't so much the death in HP as the pervasive darkness, but as I said to someone else, once you start in on Pullman, you're as far into darkness as you can go without actually reading horror.

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Date: 7/22/08 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mz-bstone.livejournal.com
I wish her happy reading. Even in the later, more emotionally challenging books. With you there to guide her and talk with her and share it all ... it'll be a good experience.

Because it's a good book.

B

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Date: 7/23/08 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I find that in my later disappointment with the series, and in my jadedness with the fandom, I had forgotten the sheer pleasure of discovering that world for the first time.

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Date: 7/22/08 07:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ngaio
I have the opposite issue: Sprog has discovered Harry Potter but refuses to read further than the first book. Apparently because she loves the first book but if she reads another book she'll 'forget' what's in the first book and she doesn't want to 'forget' (I'm assuming it's just that it'll not be fresh in her mind since she really doesn't have memory issues) so she's been rereading the first book for a week now.

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Date: 7/23/08 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
You know, I can kind of understand that! I can see wanting to savor for a while before you moved on.

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Date: 7/22/08 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scoradh.livejournal.com
Weeeelll, all I can remember of reading as a kid was wanting to read the sort of stuff my mother would be horrified by, if she knew. I read A Game of Thrones at ten. And I suppose fourteen wasn't that old to be crying over Cedric, but the point is that it was REALLY FUN. (Or maybe I'm just a masochist.)

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Date: 7/23/08 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I started A Game of Thrones (unless I'm mistaking it for something else) but it triggered my torture squick in the very first paragraph. But not everybody has my sensitivities!

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Date: 7/23/08 03:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raqs.livejournal.com
Hah! welcome to my world. wait till you're dancing around the topic of WHAT fanfic is OK to read with a preteen...

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Date: 7/26/08 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Wow ... that's going to be tough.

Of course, if she follows in my footsteps, as soon as she discovers that fanfic exists, she'll start writing it.

I really kind of hope that this is after I'm no longer responsible for vetting her entertainment choices.

I really hope we don't ever wind up in the same fandom.

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Date: 7/23/08 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paceus.livejournal.com
Seconding the recommendation to read Astrid Lindgren's books! I've been fascinated by them as an adult, too.

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Date: 7/26/08 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
[adds them to To-Read list]

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Date: 7/25/08 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purelyironic.livejournal.com
S. is seven, and she keeps asking me when she'll be allowed to read HP. It's definitely too soon for her, but I /am/ looking forward to when she's ready :)

Right now we're reading Pippi Langstrumpf by Astrid Lindgren and she and her sister have a lot of fun with it.

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Date: 7/26/08 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Pippi's lots of fun.

And the books are a tough call, aren't they? I think Philosopher's Stone would have been just fine for a seven-year-old, but some of the later ones would have been really problematic.

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