resonant: Ray Kowalski (Due South) (Snarl)
[personal profile] resonant
Weird -- this has never happened to me before. But an alert reader just informed me that someone has taken chunks of Transfigurations and worked them into her own story on fanfiction.net, here.

I haven't been able to bear to read the whole thing, but the theft is most obvious in Chapter 2, where the first three paragraphs are lifted directly from Transfig. There's some in Chapter 1, too.

It's a very odd thing to do, studding the story with stolen paragraphs; it's a different setup and a different pairing and goes off in a totally different direction, and she even has the same dialog I wrote spoken by different characters. So all in all it seems like it wouldn't be significantly less work than just writing it yourself.

I've sent an e-mail to the ffn abuse team. We'll see what happens next.

Edited to add: Oh, this is great -- evidently large bits of Chapter 4 were lifted from the script of "Dead Poets Society."

"To fully understand potions, we must first be fluent with its meter, rhyme, and figures of speech. Then ask two questions: One, how artfully has the objective of the potion been rendered, and two, how important is that objective."


I still say it's less work to write your own.
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Date: 8/11/05 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ella-bane.livejournal.com
That's horrible :( I hope ffn deals with it.

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Date: 8/11/05 04:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meredyth-13.livejournal.com
I'm gobsmacked! Have you commented to the author?

Did they think people just wouldn't notice?

Really, this beggars belief. I guess the only consolation you can take is "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" - but this is actually the height of laziness and disrespect. Grrrrr!

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Date: 8/11/05 05:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ecaterin.livejournal.com
Did they think people just wouldn't notice?

Especially as Transfig is one of the best known HP fics on the entire net!!!!

Stooooooooooopid people! :D

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Date: 8/11/05 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzcalypso.livejournal.com
This happened to a friend of mine some years ago -- some dipshit stole Connie Faddis' Starsky & Hutch story, "Mojave Crossing," which had been pubb'd in the first Zebra-3 in 1978, for godsake, and rewrote it as VOYAGE TO THE GODDAMNED BOTTOM OF THE SEA!

I wonder if it's the same weasel... it was the same MO, and the website owner defended her until Connie sent a Xerox of the original story and the editorial, with copyright date and the table of contents. Ms Plagiarism said that oh, she'd read the story and it must have impressed her. Right. To the extent of memorizing large segments of dialog, verbatim. The site owner took down all her work, which the bitch claimed was ok since "her agent" had advised her to take down her fannish work before her novel was published.

If so, I hope somebody checked out her novel, because I'll bet it wasn't her own work.

Who is this paragon of pestilence, anyway?

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Date: 8/13/05 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
She was calling herself Rickies ... um, something. They've taken the story down, so I can't find it any more. The voice in the author's notes sounded very young.

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Date: 8/11/05 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimyre.livejournal.com
Wow. I'm trying to find something positive and encouraging to say about imitation being a kind of flattery, but you know--that just sucks. What on earth makes people think it's okay to do that? And really, what can be done about it? I mean, ffn can remove the story, and ban the author, but there's nothing to stop the same person from creating a new account and uploading again, or posting somewhere else.

Um. I'm probably being more depressing than helpful; sorry about that. This just boggles me.

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Date: 8/11/05 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzcalypso.livejournal.com
I think there are some people who are so genuinely ignorant and ethically dead that they don't see anything wrong with stealing other people's work. Hey, it's fannish, you don't get paid, what's the problem? And it's not the same universe, so who cares?

Unconscious borrowing does happen--but deliberate theft? Run the critter outta town!

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Date: 8/11/05 04:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] helvirago
How bizarre. Because yeah, it looks to be a totally different plot, but... huh. Sorry about that. Er, in a sympathetic way, not in a blame-accepting way, because -- not me!

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Date: 8/11/05 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelliem.livejournal.com
Welcome to the club. Not that you want to be in it ... gah. It sucks. I hope FFNet deals with it promptly.

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Date: 8/11/05 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amand-r.livejournal.com
And of all things to crib from DPS, J Evans Pritchard "An Introduction to Poetry"? Whiskeytangofoxtrot.

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Date: 8/11/05 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com
Hey, no-one will notice! It's not like anyone reads that Resonant person's fic.

*is stunned by blind stupidity*

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Date: 8/11/05 05:17 am (UTC)
twistedchick: watercolor painting of coffee cup on wood table (Default)
From: [personal profile] twistedchick
I left a comment saying that I recognized large chunks of the story from your story, and that taking it without permission was theft. For all I know, someone will disable that comment, but at least it was said.

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Date: 8/13/05 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Lots of people did that -- I appreciate it! They've taken the story down now.

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Date: 8/11/05 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-heddy.livejournal.com
Plagiarism is more common than you might think, and many plagiarists do so not because they can't do the work themselves, but precisely because they're operating under the belief (sometimes warranted) that they can do it themselves--and that they're such good writers and smart writers that they're just taking a shortcut that nobody will ever know about, and which, they rationalize, isn't a big deal because, if they really wanted to, and if they hadn't been short of time (a problem which is somehow never their own fault), they would have done it themselves, from scratch.

Hence the hypothetical case in which they imagine themselves not plagiarizing serves as a rationalization for why they did.

I know this, of course, both from the research in English Education and also from experience working with professional writers myself.

Respected fans, even very highly educated ones have plagiarized (and even published and attempted to publish plagiarized work), as I'm sure you know. Yet in most cases, they aren't caught, or if they're caught, their editors give them more credit than they perhaps deserve, and thus the world ends up assuming that it's only the worst writers who commit intellectual theft, which actually serves to further protect those who do it out of laziness and without shame.

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Date: 8/11/05 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imkalena.livejournal.com
I realize that you probably will never come around to this view, but at least Ms. Xerox has good taste. :)

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Date: 8/11/05 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
She must be deleting non-glowing comments. *grumbles*

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Date: 8/13/05 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
It takes a loooong time for a comment to be posted. But I did notice someone from a few months back gently saying, "Maybe it would be better to write your own stuff rather than take stuff from Dead Poets Society." No response, of course.

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Date: 8/11/05 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekwriter143.livejournal.com
Even though I know it happens a lot (and it's happened to me) I don't get plagiarism. What's the point? There can't be any joy in creating it, because you're not creating anything--you're just stealing. And any feedback you get will be hollow, because you're not the one who earned it. Maybe plagiarists are like kleptomaniacs, and the thrill and the rush is part of it. I don't know.

And, yes, it is odd how she took your work in a completely different direction, but then again, I had one of my CSI stories turned into a Good Charlotte RPS fic. Who knows what goes on in their brains.

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Date: 8/13/05 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
[blinks at that thought] Because musicians are always forensics experts, huh?

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Date: 8/11/05 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellahobbit.livejournal.com
Hmmm.

Way to honour your dead friend's memory.

"I know, I'll become a THIEF and dedicate it to his soul."

*is boggled*

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Date: 8/11/05 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com
Such a beautiful sentiment, *wipes tear*.

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Date: 8/11/05 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dphearson.livejournal.com
I write crackfic ( or crapfic, take your pick) but I am surprised that we have to take from each other in fandom. I thought we were all studying the mistress, after all!

Write a note saying that you are pleased as pudding, and criticise her other pieces, and pick apart the spelling and word choices.

That's what I would do!

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Date: 8/11/05 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarweed.livejournal.com
Fuckin SHIT. I am so sorry this happened to you. Stupid twat.


(I'm also sorry if she's deleting angry comments - when this happened to me a couple years ago, I saved the whole thread of flame comments my plagiarist got, because they were full of really rapturous praise for my story.)

I don't get it, I really don't. Why? Why do people do this? Do they really think no one will notice ever?

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Date: 8/11/05 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com
People are so very strange. I hope the abuse team takes prompt action.

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Date: 8/11/05 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenkatsuo.livejournal.com
I've never gotten people who do that. But then again few people probably do.

At least on ff.net it can be reported, have you checked where else it's been posted?

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Date: 8/13/05 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
I did a search on the author name and the story name, and didn't get anything but ffnet. She doesn't even seem to have an LJ.

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Date: 8/11/05 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maryavatar.livejournal.com
Welcome to the ranks of the plagiarised! The drinks are to the left, the bathrooms are to the right, and the flaming pit of bottomless torment is right in front of you. Please toss in your plagiarist as soon as possible, shuffleboard is in half an hour.

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Date: 8/11/05 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mctabby.livejournal.com
*explores user profile*

Ooo, a summary!

Harry and Hermione ogle over their sons and unborn daughter.

*collects summary and flees, shrieking*

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Date: 8/11/05 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacquez.livejournal.com
*falls over laughing*

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Date: 8/11/05 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittiec.livejournal.com
"To fully understand potions, we must first be fluent with its meter, rhyme, and figures of speech.

Um, potions has a figure of speech? Who knew?

I don't understand why people do that. :(

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Date: 8/11/05 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanj.livejournal.com
Wow. And after yesterday I didn't think fans could get any greedier or stupider. Silly me.

I mean, it's not like anybody *read* your story, or committed several sections to memory, or quotes its dialogue frequently.

*headdesk*

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Date: 8/13/05 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Evidently there are plagiarists, and then there are smart plagiarists, and we are dealing with the former here.

Or maybe just with someone who doesn't care if she gets caught because she doesn't think she's doing anything wrong?

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Date: 8/11/05 01:30 pm (UTC)
ext_1611: Isis statue (Default)
From: [identity profile] isiscolo.livejournal.com
How bizarre. Good luck getting this sorted out.

Hey, think I can sue the writers of "Duet" for plagiarism? Heh.

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Date: 8/13/05 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Well, you certainly called that one in advance, I must admit.

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Date: 8/11/05 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nestra.livejournal.com
Bastard! I'm sorry this happened.

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Date: 8/11/05 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurenmitchell.livejournal.com
As an infrequent visitor to FF.N, I also submitted an abuse report, and from past experience I know they're pretty good with dealing with these issues.
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