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Jan. 17th, 2008 09:10 am
resonant: Ray Kowalski (Due South) (Cat (kidlet))
[personal profile] resonant
Here's something interesting I learned. The opposite of 'liberal arts,' according to Plato? 'Servile arts.' In other words, 'liberal arts' = what Plato thought were appropriate subjects for study by free people men.

Something else interesting I learned. You know the Library of Alexandria? Did you ever wonder how they got their collection in the first place? Here's what the New Yorker has to say about it in a story about Google Book Search from last November:

When ships docked in Alexandria, any scrolls found on them were confiscated and taken to the library. The staff made copies for the owners and stored the originals in heaps, until they could be catalogued.


Librarians, imagine this! Every car that comes into your town gets stopped at a checkpoint and searched for books, and if the library doesn't have them, it just takes them.

[sigh] Somebody tell me to either get to work on the novel, or get to work on the Rodney genderswap, or, like, go work on one of my January chores like cleaning out the filing cabinet or something.

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Date: 1/17/08 03:22 pm (UTC)
copracat: dreamwidth vera (Default)
From: [personal profile] copracat
The Rodney genderswap, of course.

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Date: 1/17/08 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nestra.livejournal.com
Yeah, I agree. Completely without any selfish reasons on my part.

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Date: 1/17/08 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyricalnights.livejournal.com
Awesome, but only if I get a stun gun and a cool hat.

Sadly, most of what we would confiscate would probably be either our own books, long overdue, or Cassie Edwards "novels."

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Date: 1/17/08 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
My car has a copy of Nicholas Nickelby in it, but I realize I may be a special case.

Nicholas Nickelby doesn't make a very good car book, actually; if you leave it alone for long, you forget what's happened. I should replace it with a book of travel essays or something.

only if I get a stun gun and a cool hat.

Picturing an entire TV series now: Librarian Enforcer!

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Date: 1/18/08 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] retrofit88.livejournal.com
Nicholas Nickelby doesn't make a very good car book, actually; if you leave it alone for long, you forget what's happened.

At least it doesn't turn into Queen's Greatest Hits...

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Date: 1/18/08 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypothalamus.livejournal.com
Haaaa Good Omens

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Date: 1/19/08 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
[giggles] What would be the literary equivalent? A book of Stephen King short stories, maybe?

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Date: 1/20/08 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] retrofit88.livejournal.com
in my grandma's house, anyway (and goodwill and thrift stores the country over) a reader's digest condensed book collection volume (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubersleuth/208507935/). Right? They seem unavoidable, but maybe that's just my own experience.

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Date: 1/17/08 03:45 pm (UTC)
ext_230: a tiny green frog on a very red leaf (Default)
From: [identity profile] anatsuno.livejournal.com
I knew that, the stealing thing! I remember it. And the Plato thing is really interesting. :D

*pets your head* Please get to work on the Rodney genderswap? *g*

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Date: 1/17/08 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aethereal-girl.livejournal.com
I'm going to buck the trend and ask you to please write your novel. Someday I'd like to be able to buy something with your name on it (whatever that may be).

. . . not that I'd exactly object to Rodney genderswap.

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Date: 1/17/08 04:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] giglet.livejournal.com
Go, go! Work on the novel!

Or, you know, Rodney is good, too.

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Date: 1/17/08 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
You're writing a NOVEL?!?

How great is THAT!

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Date: 1/17/08 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Could be greater, honestly. But maybe I'm just saying that because I'm at the critique phase and I hate critique precisely as much as I need critique, which is a lot.

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Date: 1/17/08 07:46 pm (UTC)
ext_1033: Mad Elizabeth (Default)
From: [identity profile] wordwitch.livejournal.com
Ooo, it's all done but the editing? May I have a gander at it, please?

Pretty please?

Since I'm already going to buy three copies? (It'd be more, but ... I'm pretty broke.)

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Date: 1/18/08 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Sure! I'll e-mail you with info.

EEE! Thank you!

Date: 1/18/08 03:18 am (UTC)
ext_1033: Mad Elizabeth (Default)
From: [identity profile] wordwitch.livejournal.com
*waits quite patiently*

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Date: 1/17/08 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com
I'm tempted to say the Rodney genderswap, because I'd get to read it sooner. And because if I say "the novel" to you, I have no excuse for not having worked on mine yesterday :-(.

But, I will say the novel, because, Novel! From you! Yes!

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Date: 1/19/08 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
You too? Maybe we could encourage each other? Or, another option, enable one another in a sort of Team Procrastination?

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Date: 1/19/08 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com
Team Procrastination is winning by a wide margin right now; I haven't made wordcount since Monday :-(. *is very grateful for the three-day weekend.*

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Date: 1/24/08 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
It's haaaaard. I'm past the wordcount phase, alas, and into revisions, and it's extra hard to set goals. Plus I just don't wanna.

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Date: 1/24/08 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com
Ah, and I'm longing to get into revisions, but if I let myself revise now, I'll never get this freakin' ending written.

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Date: 1/17/08 05:32 pm (UTC)
vass: Small turtle with green leaf in its mouth (Default)
From: [personal profile] vass
The staff made copies for the owners and stored the originals in heaps, until they could be catalogued.

If this were DVDs, the MPAA would absolutely plotz.

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Date: 1/17/08 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com
Which would probably be good for them. Perhaps we could extend it to CDs and get the RIAA in on the plotzing?

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Date: 1/18/08 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] retrofit88.livejournal.com
Well, all the publishers in the US are already plotzing about Google doing it with all the library books...

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Date: 1/17/08 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com
Did Plato give any example of the servile arts?

Somebody tell me to either get to work on the novel, or get to work on the Rodney genderswap, or, like, go work on one of my January chores like cleaning out the filing cabinet or something.

Hm. *considers*. Not that I wouldn't welcome more fic from you like I welcome oxygen? But actually I want you to continue with the knowledge-finding-and-sharing, plz.

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Date: 1/18/08 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Yes: painting! Basically anything that has to be done with the hands, including everything from sculpture to shoemaking. The spouse says Plato believed it was all right for a gentleman to play a musical instrument -- but not too well. The higher calling was to observe and ponder.

This explains why there are Muses of astronomy and history but not of visual arts.

actually I want you to continue with the knowledge-finding-and-sharing, plz.

good thing, because I can't stop!

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Date: 1/18/08 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com
This explains why there are Muses of astronomy and history but not of visual arts.

...and now I'm wondering why I never wondered about that before. *knocks brain against side of braincasing a few times, hoping deep thoughts will shake loose*

Do we know how Plato felt about singing, being as how the hands are not involved? (Well. Unless you're, say, Kiri te Kanawa or Snoop Dogg and your art form requires specific hand motions.)

Also, and randomly: are you reading Shadow Unit (http://www.shadowunit.org/index.html)? You strike me as someone who'd find it interesting...

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Date: 1/19/08 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
This is the first time I've ever heard of it! I can't tell much from a quick look at the page -- what is it, really?

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Date: 1/19/08 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com
Great question, and one I'm not sure even the authors involved (Elizabeth Bear, Emma Bull, Sarah Monette, and Will Shetterly) can answer with precision. Part sci-fi/fantasy story, part RPG, part geeky community...it's an awful lot of addictive fun, whatever it is. Several of the major characters have their own LJs, and one of them updates pretty regularly; if you're curious, I'll send you some links. It's in its infancy - the writers haven't actually started posting "episodes" yet, although there's already a lot of information available.

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Date: 1/24/08 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Ooh, I'm not much for multimedia (I like my narratives in the old-fashioned form), but I fangirl Emma Bull like crazy. I'll have to check it out.

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Date: 1/24/08 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qe2.livejournal.com
Truthfully, enforced multimedia (like what the networks have done with Heroes and Lost) makes me bugfuck. I like, y'know, books and stuff. So I think we're on the same, um, page (sorry, sorry) there. But I feel the same way about Emma Bull - War for the Oaks remains a desert-island book for me - and Sarah Monette's work is a recent find of mine (she is incredibly hard on her characters, which I find difficult due to my being stupidly thin-skinned, but oh, can she WRITE). And Elizabeth Bear is a friend of a friend, and her everyday LJ writing is immediately inviting and warm and genuine. All in all, the components are promising :-).

There is a Yahoo group populated primarily by the sort of people who are always the first or second to figure out when the new stuff's posted and where the Easter eggs are. It's a nice way to keep up on the top-level Shadow Unit stuff without having to plunge hip-deep into the message boards. If you like, I can hunt up the group name for you - or, hey, just send you the messages when I get them.

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Date: 1/17/08 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com
Every car that comes into your town gets stopped at a checkpoint and searched for books, and if the library doesn't have them, it just takes them.


I think that a lot of librarians would like that idea...

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Date: 1/18/08 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fer-de-lance.livejournal.com
The staff made copies for the owners and stored the originals in heaps, until they could be catalogued.
Librarians, imagine this!


...I would exploit this so hard! I would pile all my old books in the car, drive out of town for a night, then come back -- voila! All my worn-out books taken away and nice new copies issued to me!

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Date: 1/19/08 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant8.livejournal.com
Hey, good plan! Maybe they'd actually confiscate the car and give me a new one!

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